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ENB Region 4 Completed Applications 06/02/2021

Albany County


NYS Office of Parks Rec & Historic Preservation
625 Broadway
Albany, NY 12238


NYS John Boyd Thacher Park
1 Hailes Cave Rd & St Rte 157
Voorheesville, NY 12186

Application ID:


Permit(s) Applied for:

Article 17 Titles 7 & 8 P/C/I SPDES - Surface Discharge

Project is Located:

New Scotland, Albany County

Project Description:

The applicant proposes a proposed discharge of 5,075 gallons per day of treated sanitary via Outfall 005 to groundwater from a raised subsurface system treatment plant at the applicant's facility address located at NYS John Boyd Thacher State Park, 1 Hailes Cave Rd. The facility is currently permitted under SPDES Number NY 002 9092 to discharge treated sanitary sewage via surface discharge to Unnamed Tributary to the Black Creek (Class C stream) via Outfall 001 and discharge treated sanitary sewage to ground water via Outfalls 002-004, 006-008. The applicant is proposing to abandon the existing sewer connection from the Visitors Center and Police Station and install two 2" force main lines. The lines run for approximately 1,000 LF but approximately 610 LF will be installed within an existing 6" sewer line. The two lines run in parallel for approximately 670 LF to an existing manhole. From here, one line runs to the north field for another 314 LF (984 LF total) and the other line runs to the south field for another 146 LF (816 LF total). There is also a new line from the Police Building to the southernmost septic field, a distance of 235 LF. The work also includes installation of two new absorption fields, approximately 86'x94' each, installation of a 7,500 gallon septic tank, installation of two new distribution boxes, relocation of existing trees, and abandonment of the existing sewage pump building. The end goal is to eventually eliminate the sewage treatment plant at the park. After this proposed project is complete, the only remaining discharge to the existing plant is from the Nature Center at Thompsons Lake. A full technical review was completed, and this proposed permit will be issued for a five year term.

Design flows are as follows:

Design flows
Outfall number Existing or Proposed Design Flow (GPD)
001 Existing 60,125
002 Existing 1,688
003 Existing 1,125
004 Existing 1,300
005 Proposed 5,075
006 Existing 300
007 Existing 600
008 Existing 600

Requests for a legislative (public statement) hearing must be sent in writing to the DEC contact person below by the comment deadline. The Department assesses such requests pursuant to 6 NYCRR Section 621.8.

The draft permit and fact sheet may be viewed and printed from the Department website at:

Refer to this application by application number listed above and SPDES Number NY 002 9092.

Availability of Application Documents:

Filed application documents, and Department draft permits where applicable, are available for inspection during normal business hours at the address of the contact person. To ensure timely service at the time of inspection, it is recommended that an appointment be made with the contact person.

State Environmental Quality Review (SEQR) Determination:

Project is an Unlisted Action and will not have a significant impact on the environment. A Negative Declaration is on file. A coordinated review was not performed.

SEQR Lead Agency: None Designated

State Historic Preservation Act (SHPA) Determination:

Evaluation using a Structural-Archaeological Assessment Form or other information has concluded that the proposed activity will not impact registered, eligible or inventoried archaeological sites or historic structures.

Coastal Management:

This project is not located in a Coastal Management area and is not subject to the Waterfront Revitalization and Coastal Resources Act.

DEC Commissioner Policy 29, Environmental Justice and Permitting (CP-29)

It has been determined that the proposed action is not subject to CP-29.

Opportunity for Public Comment:

Comments on this project must be submitted in writing to the Contact Person no later than Jul 02, 2021.


Angelika R Stewart
NYSDEC Region 4 Headquarters
1130 N Westcott Rd
Schenectady, NY 12306

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